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R18 BL Reading Club #2: Total Eclipse of the Eternal Heart by Syundei  

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OuendanBLue
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Based off the votes, Total Eclipse of the Eternal Heart by Syundei is our next BL manga for the All-Ages BL reading club!

Schedule-
Reading June 1-15
Discussion June 15-16

But, if you would like to start talking in this forum, you are welcome too!

Also, if you have tips on how we should make this reading club better, message here or at us!

 

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Posted : 01/06/2020 1:47 am
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I know we are  not in discussion time but I just needed to get this out of my system.

Omg that was such a ride. It was nothing like I expected.

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Posted : 13/06/2020 2:14 pm
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A little bit of delay, but open for discussion!

Posted by: @phya

Omg that was such a ride. It was nothing like I expected.

Would love to hear more!!

Since we are reading two Syundei titles this time, a general starting question would be..what was it like reading these two titles side by side?

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Posted : 17/06/2020 3:01 pm
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Since we are reading two Syundei titles this time, a general starting question would be..what was it like reading these two titles side by side?

I originally read both of these titles around the time they came out, and I actually picked up this one largely bc I liked Go For It, Nakamura! so much, so I've spent a fair amount of time thinking about them together.

I really would like to know what kinds of stories Syundei normally does bc these two are so diametrically opposed in terms of content, it almost stuns me, especially when looked at back to back. And it surprises me a little more every time I look at them anew. Are these both a bit out of character for Syundei's work? Or is one of the manga more like the rest than the others?

I still feel very sorry for everyone who picked this up explicitly hoping for another Nakamura!, which I know happened. And I wonder - did reading order have any impact on people's reactions?

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I think my reading Nakamura! first really helped reinforce how much of a horror story Eternal Heart is - the former is more like what you'd expect from Syundei's art style storywise, so part of me was primed for more fluff in the latter, only to open the book and oh look, murder.

Had I read them the other way around, maybe I would've found a bit more ominousness in the art to begin with?

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Posted : 17/06/2020 6:06 pm
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Posted by: @jessinbooks

I really would like to know what kinds of stories Syundei normally does bc these two are so diametrically opposed in terms of content, it almost stuns me, especially when looked at back to back. And it surprises me a little more every time I look at them anew. Are these both a bit out of character for Syundei's work? Or is one of the manga more like the rest than the others?

I did a little searching and it looks like Syndei does do more darker themed works. So Go For It, Nakamura! might actually be more of the outlier.(This is from exploring their other works out right now https://www.cmoa.jp/author/76181/)

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Posted : 23/06/2020 4:30 am
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Posted by: @MovingCastleofYaoi
Posted by: @jessinbooks

I really would like to know what kinds of stories Syundei normally does bc these two are so diametrically opposed in terms of content, it almost stuns me, especially when looked at back to back. And it surprises me a little more every time I look at them anew. Are these both a bit out of character for Syundei's work? Or is one of the manga more like the rest than the others?

I did a little searching and it looks like Syndei does do more darker themed works. So Go For It, Nakamura! might actually be more of the outlier.(This is from exploring their other works out right now https://www.cmoa.jp/author/76181/)

I've heard people online saying Nakamura was the outlier. I was expecting to to be dark from the warnings people gave but it went to a level I wasn't expecting. I think the are style leads you into a false sense of security

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from the first time you see Yamada, you know he is going to be involved in foul play. Just kinda wasn't to get up after being stabbed and casually shrug it off

Not gonna lie, the plot did get a

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little bit trippy
How did he did he get reincarnated? Why did everyone else? Is it normal for curses to happen like this?
but that plays into its hands. At the end, we've had most of the strange stuff explained and happen and its just the two of them.
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When the two of them
get intimate (if you can really call that) it kinda helps ground it back in reality with something you can relate to. It makes the true horror of Hoshino stabbing him to death, knowing he wont die even more morbid and scary than the actual ending itself.
I so think it ended beautifully, taking your breath away with what you just witnessed. Sometimes less said can mean more.

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Posted : 23/06/2020 5:40 pm
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I was expecting to to be dark from the warnings people gave but it went to a level I wasn't expecting. I think the are style leads you into a false sense of security

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from the first time you see Yamada, you know he is going to be involved in foul play. Just kinda wasn't to get up after being stabbed and casually shrug it off

Yes, the false sense of security! Because the art style really is cute - I can think of other horror titles and other titles that are intentionally telling fucked-up stories, but there isn't that same sense of dissonance between the art and the plot in those. It almost tricks you.

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Yamada's eyes are always shadowed in a way that seems just natural enough to the style that for a few pages I thought I might be reading too much into it, even after I had obviously seen the murder that the manga literally opens with. By the time he returns Hoshino's confession, though, it was pretty clear that he's not a good person bc the shadows and the angles and his expressions are too intentionally menacing to be a coincidence.

I read quite a few reviews from people reacting, I think, in large part to the art and being really upset with the content, which feels pretty understandable. I have recced this title to other people, but I'm very clear on the fact that this is horror, no matter what the art looks like, not a romance. Or at least not a romance that's going to lead anywhere but where it leads.

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Posted : 23/06/2020 7:19 pm
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Maybe I've read too much horror manga or was filtered due to speedreading it, but I was a little disappointed. I think the idea was fantastic - a serial killer reincarnated as an undying revenant, cursed to act out a series of terrible circumstances over and over again. It reminded me a little of Junji Ito's Tomie.

However, I wasn't all that impressed with how the story's pacing and characterisation. It felt underdeveloped to me. Perhaps the issue was length? If it were a chapter or volume longer, Syundei would have had more time to develop the characters and their bonds, which might have given the story more of an impact. As it was, I didn't feel all that much for most of the boys. It didn't really have the gut-punching moments that I expect from this sort of horror. Other mangakas have managed to do more with similar length stories. 

Thinking of Japanese horror involving schoolboys and a strong element of characterisation: If you've read Lychee Light Club by Usamaru Furuya, you know how well that manga develops the connections between the young main characters even though it's also one volume long. Lychee Light Club has so much going on that it might even spend less time on characterization than Total Eclipse of the Eternal Heart does. However, every page in it counts. When bad things happen to Tamiya and his friends, and their bonds are tested in the face of torture and death, it's heartbreaking. It even manages to humanise the villain without making you feel like he was good or misunderstood. 

Unfortunately, I didn't get that from Total Eclipse of the Eternal Heart. Maybe I just need to read it again. 

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Posted : 08/07/2020 12:36 pm
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However, I wasn't all that impressed with how the story's pacing and characterisation. It felt underdeveloped to me. Perhaps the issue was length? If it were a chapter or volume longer, Syundei would have had more time to develop the characters and their bonds, which might have given the story more of an impact. As it was, I didn't feel all that much for most of the boys. It didn't really have the gut-punching moments that I expect from this sort of horror. Other mangakas have managed to do more with similar length stories. 

I definitely agree on the pacing, especially at the end. The ending felt too abrupt and I wonder whether it was cut off there just to keep it within the page limits of a single tankobon despite really needing another chapter or two.

I still like it despite the pacing issues because the bulk of the story holds up for me, but certainly it's not as strong as it could be.

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Posted : 08/07/2020 8:29 pm
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