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Energetic_Nova
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Gay men seem to be dying for these titles... especially the ones that aren’t into illegal copies. The fact most are pretty oop is also not helpful...

 

If anyone knows where I can direct gay men who wish for these titles, please let me know. I know someone knew the link to Tagame’s website. 

It would be good if we could come together as a community and support these titles as well.  

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Posted : 30/07/2020 2:53 am
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jess
 jess
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This definitely isn't immediately helpful, unfortunately, but I suspect the best bet for getting more geicomi in the future will be through lines that are explicitly LGBT+ themed, especially from the upcoming publishers specializing in doujinshi. Irodori Sakura will be releasing Tsukumo Go's doujinshi and seem interested in publishing a greater variety of stories.

The LGBT+ themed lines feel more promising because they're less locked into a particular audience and have more wiggle room for what they pick up.

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Posted : 30/07/2020 5:44 am
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MovingCastleofYaoi
(@movingcastleofyaoi)
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Some gei comi artists seemed to be having their own Patreons and things like that now.

Posted by: @energeticnova

If anyone knows where I can direct gay men who wish for these titles, please let me know. I know someone knew the link to Tagame’s website. 

This was on Tagame's Twitter and it looks like Japanese Patreon. https://gengorohtagame.fanbox.cc/

 

I saw this on Tumblr awhile ago and then again on twitter more recently but this could also be another reason why there aren't more coming over - https://gaymanga.tumblr.com/post/124602217927/your-idea-that-people-will-necessarily-buy-things

I’m just going off of what I’ve been told directly from the artists in question. Sometimes if you Google these artists’ names, the majority of the results are bootleg scans. They have no way of combating that.

Gengoroh Tagame explained that when an Italian publisher was interested in publishing a translation, they told him they didn’t want any existing work because it’s all already available online. So he would have had to create an original work entirely on spec, which is pretty much impossible because then he wouldn’t be able to meet his deadlines for the manga magazines that employ him.

We’ve helped him and other artists put out plenty of books that are already online for free, and you’re right, people still bought them– sometimes even if they’d seen the scans. But I’ve also been at plenty of sales events where people come up to the table, pick up a book, and say “I’ve already read this one online” and then don’t buy it.

Supply and demand, it’s real!

 

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Posted : 30/07/2020 8:28 am
Energetic_Nova
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Thank you so much guys! I was able to meaningfully give someone the proper information. If there are any more sources I should know about, please still comment. It is important for when I am in a Jam and would like to give someone important information. 

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Posted : 31/07/2020 1:16 pm
Paul
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Posted by: @energeticnova

Gay men seem to be dying for these titles...

If anyone knows where I can direct gay men who wish for these titles, please let me know. I know someone knew the link to Tagame’s website.

I am in the minority on this but I prefer existing BL publishers to carry geicomi than the one-off licenses we see on different publishers. I understand though the content might be a hard sell, also the yaoi-bara dichotomy is deeply entrenched in (Western) BL fandom that it affects how things are licensed and marketed.

I encountered this author who won in Yabai and publishes one-shots in Ciel. I'd love to see their less spicy stories licensed but knowing they mostly draw "questionable" smut the chances of an English release is very low.

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Posted : 31/07/2020 4:55 pm
Paul
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Posted by: @energeticnova

Gay men seem to be dying for these titles...

If anyone knows where I can direct gay men who wish for these titles, please let me know. I know someone knew the link to Tagame’s website.

I am in the minority on this but I prefer existing BL publishers to carry geicomi than the one-off licenses we see on different publishers. I understand though the content might be a hard sell, also the yaoi-bara dichotomy is deeply entrenched in (Western) BL fandom that it affects how things are licensed and marketed.

Edit: Just found out Irodori Sakura got Tsukumo Go. Glad to know!

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Posted : 31/07/2020 4:59 pm
Katarina
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I would like to point out that if readers truly want to see geicomi out, there are only 2 things that really need to be executed.
1. buy any possible new English geicomi release you can even if it's not entirely your taste
2. communicate to the publisher what you want to read so that with time you get what you want

I'm interested in geicomi for years but they're a hard sale even in Japan. International audience may be bigger but that's not a guarantee either. For some reason European audiences (especially French) are buying more of geicomi related content then English audiences do in general. Most geicomi authors received moderate success there and are still getting occasional licenses there.

English on the other hand... we had Bruno Gmünder, and while English department going defunct is not because fandom was not buying gay manga (their catalog was huge) I also don't remember them selling out.
MASSIVE released by Fantagraphics is still not sold out after 6 years. This is far from encouraging information for any publisher out there.

And then there's what @movingcastleofyaoi said. I think that geicomi are one of the most sensitive genres out there to scanlatiors because they have potential to be licenses, there are some household names among authors, but the potential pool of buyers (even with no scanaitors) is really small. So most of them have to relay on themselves, ironically one of the bigger geicomi scanlaitor went off to work with authors, which is a step forward but the problem is that authors individual reach to English audience is fairly small. So in the long run I don't think the authors (and EN fandom) are getting the most they can out of their personal English releases.
Tagame was already linked, but Ichikawa Kaz is also doing the same (I recall at least one more but I can't remember the name)

Another company to support is probably Dudedle Studio. Yes they're focused on gay games rather then manga, but they have Japanese artist in the team. They're a sort of hybrid company because they do translations as well as original work.
Their manga catalog is small. But I know that at the time they were very much interested in publishing more, I'm not sure why exactly it appears the program died out but I'm sure if they go vocal enough support they'd reconsider it again (and I know for a fact they have access to other geicomi artists so it's not completely out of their reach).

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Posted : 02/08/2020 10:23 pm
OuendanBLue
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@energeticnova @futuumi @youngbluespring @movingcastleofyaoi

Speaking of Geicomi, this podcast is relevant. Haven't listened to it yet but the summary says it talks about the future of gay manga.

https://twitter.com/manga_mavericks/status/1292158980316434432

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Posted : 09/08/2020 4:01 am
Katarina
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Oh, it's with Anne Ishii.... I honestly thought she moved on from this topic. Great to see she's still in the scene. Thanks for the info!

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Posted : 09/08/2020 8:31 am
MovingCastleofYaoi
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Posted by: @energeticnova

If anyone knows where I can direct gay men who wish for these titles, please let me know. I know someone knew the link to Tagame’s website. 

It would be good if we could come together as a community and support these titles as well.

I forgot to add this before. There is this thing called Yaro Fest in Japan where a lot of gei comic artists go to sell their work. This year I don't think they could have done it.

https://yaroufes.info/

https://twitter.com/yaroufes

They have a catalog and stuff so it might be a good reference to people looking for more artists and manga to read.

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Posted : 19/08/2020 6:34 am
Chris
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Posted by: @youngbluespring
Posted by: @energeticnova

Gay men seem to be dying for these titles...

If anyone knows where I can direct gay men who wish for these titles, please let me know. I know someone knew the link to Tagame’s website.

I am in the minority on this but I prefer existing BL publishers to carry geicomi than the one-off licenses we see on different publishers. I understand though the content might be a hard sell, also the yaoi-bara dichotomy is deeply entrenched in (Western) BL fandom that it affects how things are licensed and marketed.

Edit: Just found out Irodori Sakura got Tsukumo Go. Glad to know!

If you're in the minority, then I'm in the minority too. 

A couple more licensed geicomi:

  • French Publisher Akata also secured the English rights for Kuro Nohara's Staring at Your Back. I found it bland, but if people buy it, they may do more English titles. Please buy it if you can, and ask others to buy it too.
  • Coolmic has a Tsukumo Gou title as well. He's had good luck with the licensing recently, hasn't he?
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Posted : 22/08/2020 2:46 am
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Chris
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Forgot to say, Coolmic also has Tachi Neko, which might technically count as geicomi? It is apparently based on a gay webnovel. It certainly had a different feel to most BL or "LGBT comics", though the art style wasn't the gachidebu or gachimuchi style people associate with geicomi. Not sure about this one.

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Posted : 22/08/2020 2:54 am
Paul
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I found out some weeks ago (yes, that long since I checked the forums lol) that Draw Two does BL for Charles Comics (Boku ga Ojisan wo Suki na Riyuu got released recently) and I thought it's a good geicomi for English-language publishers to pick up. I read Futekiya is negotiating with the publisher for titles so I really hope this gets sneaked in.

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Posted : 22/08/2020 7:30 pm
fried green fujoshi
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Irodori Sakura has a suggestion survey now, if there are authors you want them to publish

https://twitter.com/Irodori_Sakura/status/1300848555687460865?s=20

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Posted : 04/09/2020 8:56 pm
OuendanBLue
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I wonder if Seven Seas would be open to this genre? Though since a lot are doujinshi it might be hard for a publisher to handle directly

 

https://twitter.com/gomanga/status/1303030272787705858

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Posted : 10/09/2020 3:51 am
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