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(@blue)
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It seems like Manga Rock (now rebranded as Inkr Comics and trying to go legal...?) and has BL on their new app.

https://twitter.com/blprism_/status/1252726631329861633

For us, we want to have a comprehensive database of BL legally available. But, given Manga Rock's track record, we're not sure??

We wanted to bring this up to other BL readers, though we understand not everyone shares the same view of Manga Rock...(though if you want to talk about Manga Rock or now what's up about them, we can also talk about that.

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Topic starter Posted : 22/04/2020 1:39 am
(@midgeyu)
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On the one hand, I'd like to support the artists who are publishing their work through Manga Rock/Inkr Comics/whatever. On the other hand, their BS was so recent that I can't be bothered with them when there's other options available. I probably won't be checking it out at all unless I hear they licensed a work by an artist I love or they have something I'm super intrigued by.

(I've been going through a similar conflict with Tokyopop. They've been licensing some nice BL lately, including one of my biggest wish list items, but it's hard to be enthusiastic about Tokyopop. Still, I'll buy if I'm interested.)

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Posted : 22/04/2020 2:38 am
(@blue)
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@midgeyu Did a little bit more searching and actually this MangaRock/Inkr is working with Tokyopop??

https://twitter.com/OuendanBlue/status/1252780491683450880

 

 

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Topic starter Posted : 22/04/2020 3:29 am
(@pachi)
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MangaRock was always shady af, but crunchyroll also started as a piracy streaming site so......... i would give a few weeks and see if something weird pops up.

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Posted : 22/04/2020 4:01 am
(@blue)
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@pachi Yeah! Both Crunchy and Fakku started off as aggregators, so I guess we have to give Manga Rock sometime (though when they were trying to go legit, they were still hosting ads and official manga from other places...)

 

We'll keep our eyes out for them? For now, we'll focus on other publishers in the databases since we are behind on them first.

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Topic starter Posted : 22/04/2020 6:07 am
(@boysloveparty)
Eminent Member

A "wait and see" approach does seem best. (I fell out of animanga fandom for awhile so when I found out CR became legit, that was a shock...) 

Either way, whether it seems they check out and people start promoting it or not, like midgeyu said, it's the same difficult choice we make with many publishers these days who have histories of predatory practices (eg, TP, Lezhin, June, MangaGamer wrt vns, and those are just the ones I know the stories about. Tell me any business has done smth shady or unethical, and I'll believe you. It's the nature of capitalism.) So I think that's important to remember going forward if they do wind up being no worse than any other legit business.

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Posted : 22/04/2020 2:49 pm
(@kokorabes)
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Just to add to this I've seen a lot of people talking about YaoiCat these days but there's so little information on their site it makes me wonder if they're a legitimate business. Anyone with more info? 

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Posted : 23/04/2020 9:01 am
(@boysloveparty)
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@kokorabes sarerunet is actively working with them and I trust her. Most of their catalogue is Media Do stuff (not that you can't put up pirated copies of those and people have/do) but that is one company that very freely does distribution licenses, so that's not a red flag either, but rather makes a lot of sense. 

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Posted : 23/04/2020 11:23 am
 Phya
(@phya)
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I'm having a wait and see approach. They have done some real bad but I wish them well and hope to see where they go. They are in a better place than June which is dead to me and Tokyopop which has me annoyed and conflicted about the titles they are nabbing.

Is it sad that if Inkr had Tokyopop's BL on there I would rather pay a month and read it on there than the money go directly to TP?

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Posted : 23/04/2020 4:15 pm
(@pachi)
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@phya What's the problem with June? I'm not American, so I don't know why some people say that.

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Posted : 23/04/2020 4:58 pm
(@boysloveparty)
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@pachi If I may - and @phya may have more/better info, please share, and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not fully up on what they were up to between 2010 and 2017, eg, like what shenanigans may have happened with DMG groups - but a years long pattern of

a) not paying people (unpaid translation internships, for example, that never even led to paid ones),

b) dropped series while still maintaining the license (although always an occasional occurrence, worse than other publishers by all accounts), and

c) general lack of fiscal responsibility. DMP just last year lost 6 of their 7 Osamu Tezuka licenses from their Tezuka kickstarter (the Tezuka Foundation pulled them) due to unfulfillment and they have an unfulfilled print Psyche Delico KS from the same period (2017). They also fired their Kickstarter Project Manager this year, too. who very pointedly said afterwards, "don't email me, email the CEO here at this address," on twitter.

Also seen as having much worse quality in both physical product and localization quality than other publishers. Also low print runs? Seeing how some even more recent things are impossible to get without ridiculous mark ups on the secondhand market.

It all adds up - and those kickstarters especially as that's been a personal investment for many with zero return so far.

(Hope it's okay I replied, I don't want to step on any toes!)

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Posted : 23/04/2020 6:55 pm
 Phya
(@phya)
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@boysloveparty you hit nearly everything.

The libre releases started getting released by Sublime because they lost the licenses due to unreliability. Series needing to be rescued by a publisher that is still operating is pretty grim.

Thier tactic atm is to jump from niche to niche to get money. In thier prime they published some general manga and BL. When money was starting to run dry (obvious by titles literally selling out on release) they launched DMG for cheaply made content. When that wasn't working they went full kickstarter. They found the Terazuka cash cow and ran with it while mooching others on the side still unfulfilled eg Kodomo no Jikan. When the kickatarters were not delivering and no one truatingvthier yaoi releases, they have now branched into Yuri instead. They are running out of people to piss off and they the money pot will finally be dry.

Edit: just re-read the DMG info stuff but I know I've typesetted 2 books and never recieved a penny.

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Posted : 23/04/2020 9:07 pm
(@pachi)
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@boysloveparty y i k e s

 

This is bad.

 

I'm kinda sad now because they have my favorite BL of all time (i used to have a little faith that i would see the second volume of this BL in english someday, but based in what you said, this is not gonna happen...)

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Posted : 23/04/2020 9:15 pm
(@boysloveparty)
Eminent Member

@phya Ahh, oh no, I'm so sorry you didn't get paid for your typesetting work!

@pachi yeah, it's very unlikely, unfortunately.

To tie this back into the topic, although starting from even more nefarious beginnings (illegal exploitation vs legal exploitation), it's not a high bar inkr needs to clear.

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Posted : 23/04/2020 10:20 pm
(@andreaxxvii)
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I never knew about June's issues, thank you for shedding light to me. I like them because they have BL novels in their platform, though I think they are not adding new titles anymore. 

As for MR, I'm also on the wait and see approach. I still have reservations especially when they published their apology but still didn't stop their operations. 

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Posted : 24/04/2020 5:52 am
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